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Post by Russell on Feb 24, 2008 22:35:53 GMT
THEY SAY WE JUDGE BY OUR OWN STANDARDS AND YOU MUST BE VERY PROUD OF YOURS PERV Reading the comments wrong again as usual! Sounds like a typical loser comment coming from the likes of Ru5s'h0le from the Rock! Either that or a loser like R. Kenny! BOTH TW0TZ!!!! Yes I couldnt have put it better myself tw4t |
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Post by guest on Feb 26, 2008 13:34:05 GMT
Funny how the blokes that have left Hillarys all state they are doing well.
And I know for a fact that most do.
Yet those hard-core Hillarys blokes still deny that this is the case.
Many of these same Hillarys Agents blag that they are doing huge volumes of business when we all know that this is rarely the case.
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Post by bull on Feb 26, 2008 18:29:30 GMT
Funny how the blokes that have left Hillarys all state they are doing well. And I know for a fact that most do. Yet those hard-core Hillarys blokes still deny that this is the case. Many of these same Hillarys Agents blag that they are doing huge volumes of business when we all know that this is rarely the case. Its also funny how they never use their own names even now they have ledt .why well its probaly cus their full of rubish like you |
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Post by more bull on Feb 26, 2008 19:18:51 GMT
Funny how the blokes that have left Hillarys all state they are doing well. And I know for a fact that most do. Yet those hard-core Hillarys blokes still deny that this is the case. Many of these same Hillarys Agents blag that they are doing huge volumes of business when we all know that this is rarely the case. Its also funny how they never use their own names even now they have ledt .why well its probaly cus their full of rubish like you FUNNY! You never gave your name either!!!!!! TIT!!!!!! |
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Post by oh dear on Feb 28, 2008 19:47:52 GMT
Oh Dear
I would certainly dispute the legality of our current advertising and, like most of us, have had my fair share of trying to explain to customers why they can't have 50% off anything they want. Hillarys success has always largely depended on the relationship built up between the advisor and the customer, but the recent promotions are driving a wedge through this relationship and many sales calls are ending up with a virtual stand-off.
Our advertising always used to say ''up to **% off selected fabrics / colours'' - admittedly the qulaification was in smaller print but at least it was readable. Now we simply say ''**% off'', usually over a picture of a fabric which isn't part of the offer, and with the qualification in extremely tiny print at the foot of the last page. I don't understand how this can be legal but, even if it is, it is still morally indefensible and completely lacking in integrity.
Oh dear dear
The last two promotions as far as I am concerned have caused me as an advisor more aggravation than enough. In addition they have probably cost me sales rather than increased my sales. From a marketing point of view, I think that staff in the ivory tower might be well advised to have a complete re-think about further use the 50% off theme. ITS NOT BEEN WORTH THE HASSLE ITS CAUSED. In addition the noticeable decline in the number of appointments that have been booked over the past two weeks, completely negates the management argument about this type of approach getting the phones ringing. (More like my bloody ears ringing with all the customer complaints).
Oh deary deary me
I, and others, have been here before. Despite logging many comments and concerns ad nauseum about the marketing of the '50% sale' promotion we hear nothing in response.
Well, the inevitable has happened. I saw some customers on Tuesday of which the 1st 3 all voiced their feelings regarding the promotion. 1 wanted to buy a 'neutral' vertical and 3 rollers. He specified the sale fabrics and when told it only related to the choices available he went nuts! He produced the 'A3?' leaflet that has been shoved through thousands of doors, showed me the roller section and it clearly states that we have a 50% off sale and in the supporting message beneath it states there are almost 200 fabrics to chose from. He counted the sale items - 20-ish.
He asked-'how can you advertise 50% off - say there are 200 fabrics and then only ptoduce a list of 20?
I searched the leaflet and - lo and behold- on the back page in the most ridiculously small print imaginable it said it related to a selection of fabrics.
He wasn't having any of it and has rung Hillarys marketing for an explanation. Following that, and he was presumably 'fobbed off', he now has the bit between his teeth and has referred the ad to the Notts Trading standards. I know all of this because he has rung me to say it isn't personal as he knows we are only selling what we can. However, the quote above is only a small part of the tirade of condemnation of Hillarys and their 'underhand' advertising. He honestly feels he has been hoodwinked by Hillarys and isn't happy that a £100m plus local company can behave in such an unacceptable ' 3rd rate' manner.
Ps - to rub salt in the wounds he actually selected a Christy Earth vert in the end - only for me to find it isn't in stock!!!
He now believes we never had it anyway and it is a ruse to make the customer buy another fabric.
Just how hard can Hillarys make our lives and will anyone in Hillarys give a damn about their reputation?
Oh dear dear is this legal!!!!!!!!!!!
if they mention the sale, just give them the price for what they want with maybe 10-20% off, how do they know what the original price was, most customers of mine just like to think they are saving even if they are still paying £70 for a roller blind!
Oh dear, surely not
I can normally explain my way around the half price advertising but not when a customer today wanted a Linea Green roller with the A3 flyer open at the page with the picture of it and a 50% off in the corner. Whatever disclaimer there is, it cannot be justified to show a clear picture of a fabric that is not on offer. Ended up offering the fabric at half the price that a deluxe fabric would be therefore only equating to around 25% actual discount.
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Post by brian on Mar 6, 2008 8:49:44 GMT
Hello peeps, hows it going, life is sweet for me, had to travel 10 miles the other day to end up doing 1 vertical for kitchen window, cost her £88, I made £40 clear profit, but I suppose you have to take the rough with the smooth ;D Saw your,our prices for perfect fit the other day, still ain't stoped laughing, ie Sillybillys charging £233 for a small window, Oh my  !! what are they on, the perfect fit frame will only cost me £13 more than the regular pleated blind. My cost for the same size about £90 and thats £45 profit. the jokes is its exactly the same perfect fit is licenced by "louvolite"  me thinks sillybillys are being very very very very very very greedy at your expense, sillybillys one and all, you and them. Like I said before take a look at "intu" I sell far more of it. Any way nice to catch up with you all, just got to go and fit 2 verticals for sillarys for £16  but then measure a roof for me £400 profit, jokes. he insisted on haveing the sillarys man in after me, i should of told him the hillburys price then and there but i let him find out the hard way, plus it gets someones conversion lower. |
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Post by oh dear on Mar 11, 2008 7:50:53 GMT
oh dear
The weekly mailer carried this statement,
"We've spent lots of time evaluating our pricing within your region and the data shows that we have an opportunity to increase the prices of certain products"
I refer you back to my original comments at the start of this thread, and would like to add that the above statement is completly fabricated!
That is the accusation I make, now prove me wrong!
I suspect the increase is more to do with alleviating the loss of "perceived" profit from the growing need to discount, than anything in the above statement being based on reality.
I look forward to seeing the evidence to the contrary!
oh dear
Everything we see from Hillarys is spin. Why every month it says in the offers introduction that there is a great range of 50% fabrics to sell beggars belief. We are the salesforce not the customers. We know they are selected so that we rarely sell them. We know that 90% of the time the customer wants natural colours, so pretending there is a great selection to choose from is rather pointless. There's no point in trying to pull the wool over our eyes, it just makes it all look so false. I know they have to be upbeat, but it's pointless peddling obvious bulls**t. There must be better ways to motivate the sales force.
oh deary dear
This always gets me grinding my teeth. Why oh why would I think working for half the money is a good idea? I want to work less for more money, a bit like buying cheap ready made chinese headrails.
These mailings do more to alienate me than motivate me. They are always signed by 'The Hillarys Team' are we not all part of the Hillarys team?
oh deary deary dear
Once again we are faced with an incomplete rollout of a new product.
Having attended the new product workshop for the new range of awnings I found that all I had was the sample book. No Brochures, No order forms. When I enquired about these I was told "there arent any". So, do Hillarys want us to sell these when we cant give the customer an idea of what the product looks like or have any method of ordering them other than putting measurements on a piece of paper and hoping for the best?
oh deary deary dear dear
Here we go again.
New promotion - 1 week old and we are selling too many tamarind wood venetians so Hillarys stops it.
It resurrects the old question raised time and time again.
How does Hillarys plan for a sale and what is the criteria for fabric/product inclusion?
It really smacks of the back of a f*g packet half the time.
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Post by russhole on Mar 12, 2008 8:37:17 GMT
Wouldn't it be lovely if Sillarys actually listened to their own propaganda
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Hillarys only succeeds when our Advisor's succeed. It is therefore in both of our interests to work hard to ensure you have a thriving business. We only select people we believe will be successful and only in areas where we believe the market is strong enough to support an Advisor’s business. We never cram Advisors into an area and wait to see who is successful."
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Post by you know i know on Mar 12, 2008 20:14:57 GMT
want to know who runs this forum unban me or at 6pm tommorow i blow the lid
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Post by Russell on Mar 12, 2008 20:17:57 GMT
want to know who runs this forum unban me or at 6pm tommorow i blow the lid Do tell and its spelt tomorrow  |
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Post by brian on Mar 13, 2008 8:22:41 GMT
Hello peeps dont you just love it when someone pays the balance in cash, having to go all the way to the bank to pay it in for sillarys. Oh how lovely it is for me to get cash as 50% balance,as striaght in back pocket as my profit , oh happy days  I,m surprised i aint been banned yet, I guess that shows sillarys don't own the site despite the rumours. Not happy about my posts being deleted whats the matter with calling someone old, when they are old |
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Post by phugly on Mar 13, 2008 8:22:53 GMT
want to know who runs this forum unban me or at 6pm tommorow i blow the lid Is anyone really interested any more. This has just become a platform for the likes of "boastful Brian" and anyone else to logged in as "guest" or variations of, to blow their own trumpet. Write anything they don't like and it gets wiped (be interesting to see how long this one lasts, my last post was wiped within a couple of hours) |
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Post by just me on Mar 13, 2008 19:54:55 GMT
Your forum was good at the start, at its best it was really good, by far the best compared to what we have today, but it was not without faults.
Some of your moderators used to edit posts for no reason other than to boost their own ego.
People like Russel like to blow their own trumpet all the time on every forum. You can not blame other people for doing the same.
lts a dog eat dog world. And a lot of the problems are of sillarys own making.
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Post by russellll on Mar 14, 2008 15:08:36 GMT
i know who runs this forum if you want to know just ask
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Post by Russell on Mar 15, 2008 12:46:52 GMT
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If anyones interested I actually do know even though I've been banned 3 times I think its time you should be told
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!! what are they on, the perfect fit frame will only cost me £13 more than the regular pleated blind. My cost for the same size about £90 and thats £45 profit. the jokes is its exactly the same perfect fit is licenced by "louvolite" 
me thinks sillybillys are being very very very very very very greedy at your expense, sillybillys one and all, you and them. Like I said before take a look at "intu" I sell far more of it. Any way nice to catch up with you all, just got to go and fit 2 verticals for sillarys for £16 
but then measure a roof for me £400 profit, jokes. he insisted on haveing the sillarys man in after me, i should of told him the hillburys price then and there but i let him find out the hard way, plus it gets someones conversion lower. 
