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Post by brian on Aug 31, 2007 19:31:41 GMT
Took a conservatory order today around 2000 I'd hate to fit that for 300 quid. I'll be making 900. just no comparisson. And don't take it so personal,. I took a Hillarys roof order yesterday for £5,135, which gives me £437 commission for 2,1/2 hours work, or £175/hour. Someone else will survey and fit. As your order was a measly £2,000 you should be able to sell, survey and fit in 5 hours, to match my income I don't no what commission rate you are on but it ain't Hillarys. If you did not survey, what the hell were you doing for 2,1/2 hours!!!!  Oh and yes 5 hours is about right. But I quess if you take 2,1/2 hours to sell something you might think it takes 3 days to fit and survey  I also sold 8 rollers, 4 romans, and 2 verts today, from 4 different customers, total value 1380.60 thats 650 profit. What made it sweet was on one that bought 3 romans, my price 294.50 hillarys had been in before me 499. |
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Post by brian on Aug 31, 2007 19:45:05 GMT
I quess if you have reached that stage in your life when retirment is staring you in the face there is no insentive to improve your lot, as it is hard work, not like being hillarys drone. then i can see why you would be happy with 15%. I do not d/d I run 3 seperate and distinct business's and I do it well. If only the truth could be told  If I was open in my identity I to would be adament I was not d/d as well, but I know one of you on here who is  |
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Post by guest on Aug 31, 2007 19:52:22 GMT
I don't no what commission rate you are on but it ain't Hillarys. If you did not survey, what the hell were you doing for 2,1/2 hours!!!! yes it is hillarys and no i don't fit - I've no need or desire to do so. Others are more suited to that role. Perhaps you should find out where Hillarys are going rather than carp on about the past. The reason I took 2,1/2 hours is because I SOLD the roof, not just settled for £2000 |
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Post by brian on Aug 31, 2007 22:38:24 GMT
I don't no what commission rate you are on but it ain't Hillarys. If you did not survey, what the hell were you doing for 2,1/2 hours!!!! yes it is hillarys and no i don't fit - I've no need or desire to do so. Others are more suited to that role. Perhaps you should find out where Hillarys are going rather than carp on about the past. The reason I took 2,1/2 hours is because I SOLD the roof, not just settled for £2000 What % rate is that then? Who said anything about the past and I also sold my roof, in less than 45mins and beat off 2 other companies. I don't know the size of your conserv but mine is 15 roof and 7 sides all in 20mm. My product is better than Hillarys, believe me I know, and I ain't got to spend 21/2 hours trying to con the customer into thinking their getting something they ain't. I find a good product at a fair price (2000 was double what it cost me, the only thing I had higher priced was perfect fit, and they did not like that) sells it self. Thomas sanderson you ain't , now and your product don't come close to theres. I know, spend 3 hours selling your next roof, that will prove your an even better salesman. |
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Post by thelloydgang on Sept 1, 2007 7:28:19 GMT
Morning all!
Have just opened the weekly mailer to be told about the new invoice to be used from October.
Anyone else not happy about having no invoice copy to keep for our records? Can't see why they don't just duplicate the top part and leave the payment details as one copy.
I use these invoices for future reference if customer want to order more blinds of the same or when dors need to be raised.
What do you all think?
Karen ;D
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Post by blindwizard on Sept 1, 2007 8:57:07 GMT
Hi
I left awhile back, doing nothing involving blinds now (old post in thread Ex-Hillarys- Blindwizard explains)
Occasionally visit this and other site out of interest, just thought I'd post my 5 pence worth.
1. Any that aren't dual trading have no reason to hide identity (in fact they may get some leads from advisors who can't meet a customer's requirements with Hillarys offerings)
2. I never hid my identity even when posting about the meetings Hillarys had with the advisors. I in fact wrote to Risman and copied the letter on to the other forum shoing my full indenity and contact details.
3. I can't abide dual trading - It's dishonest, stealing and shows that you can't run an ethical business
4. I haven't posted for ages because I'm too busy running my business.
5. Why boast how much your earning, don't see Richard Branson, Alan Sugar etc writing to the papers explaining how much they earn.
5. Regarding working for Hillarys or running your own blind business - I did look into this but decided I would enjoy doing other things instead but if I had stayed in the blind business the choice was:-
a) Stay with Hillarys - Be basically a sub-contractor which means not having the risks and additional work of running a "complete" business but earn less money
b) Set-up a proper business - Have all the worries and additional work of running all aspects of a business with the additional risk but also if successful earn more money and have something to sell when you retire.
There is no right or wrong just whatever suits YOU best.
7. I really think it is a shame about these forums. When the other one started it was great, we discussed and highlighted issues with Hillarys that at least gave the advisors a voice, we helped and advised each other regarding our day to day work and we also filled the gap of working on your own by building a community. I don't really understand why either forum can't get back to that, suggest you discuss that compared to just slagging each other off then you might get the main stream advisors to join and build that community again
Whatever you do enjoy yourself - life is not a practice run it's the real thing !!
regards Duncan
Ex Hillarys advisor - Hillside
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Post by Ernie the dwarf on Sept 1, 2007 9:25:17 GMT
7. I really think it is a shame about these forums. When the other one started it was great, we discussed and highlighted issues with Hillarys that at least gave the advisors a voice, we helped and advised each other regarding our day to day work and we also filled the gap of working on your own by building a community. I don't really understand why either forum can't get back to that, suggest you discuss that compared to just slagging each other off then you might get the main stream advisors to join and build that community again
Good point, Well made.
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Post by edmundhillary on Sept 1, 2007 12:50:29 GMT
Brian......you illustrate my point perfectly about you being a fitter first and a salesman second.
You obviously regard the sales process as a necessary evil to be got out of the way as quickly as possible
Had you spent an extra half hour or so with your customer you could have built a bit more value into your product and got maybe £2500...still a reasonable price and more importantly as a "businessman" more profit for yourself.
Instead you prefer to be painfully price concious boasting how you are much cheaper than the opposition and then slag off someone who obviously did a good sales call taking a relaxed 2 1/2 hours to build a good customer raport and get twice the order value you did.
The truth is probably that you are so busy chasing business with your 3 suppliers and fitting and sorting problems you could't possibly entertain the idea of spending time selling.
Like i said before, anybody can be a busy fool and the old adage.." turnover is vanity, profit is sanity"
But good luck to you anyway
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Post by druid on Sept 1, 2007 18:08:21 GMT
Morning all! Have just opened the weekly mailer to be told about the new invoice to be used from October. Anyone else not happy about having no invoice copy to keep for our records? Can't see why they don't just duplicate the top part and leave the payment details as one copy. I use these invoices for future reference if customer want to order more blinds of the same or when dors need to be raised. What do you all think? Karen ;D Hi Karen Totally agree..........this is totally unacceptable on so many levels.......and the current system is not illegal, as is being promoted to us. As company representatives we have every legal right to take and use the info required to fulfill any transaction needed to make a sale (within certain perameters), it's what happens in every direct sales company every day of the week.............. and whats more it is essential to the successful operation of this type of business. If financial details are so sensitive then let us have a "blanked-out" copy for our records. What is illegal is for us to receive a newsletter each week containing individual sales performance for an area........we are all self-employed and that information (which in essence tells all and sundry what we are earning) is not supposed to be divulged to others. Tables of performance are OK (Top Ten etc.) but must not incorporate actual figures. This is just a snow job for a totally ill thought out cost cutting exercise that is going to cause huge problems Druid ;D |
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Post by guest on Sept 1, 2007 20:28:01 GMT
yes it is hillarys and no i don't fit - I've no need or desire to do so. Others are more suited to that role. Perhaps you should find out where Hillarys are going rather than carp on about the past. The reason I took 2,1/2 hours is because I SOLD the roof, not just settled for £2000 What % rate is that then? Who said anything about the past and I also sold my roof, in less than 45mins and beat off 2 other companies. I don't know the size of your conserv but mine is 15 roof and 7 sides all in 20mm. My product is better than Hillarys, believe me I know, and I ain't got to spend 21/2 hours trying to con the customer into thinking their getting something they ain't. I find a good product at a fair price (2000 was double what it cost me, the only thing I had higher priced was perfect fit, and they did not like that) sells it self. Thomas sanderson you ain't , now and your product don't come close to theres. I know, spend 3 hours selling your next roof, that will prove your an even better salesman. Sorry Brian, I misunderstood you. You said you had 3 companies so I assumed you were a businessman. A businessman, or professional salesman, maximises profit by selling the service and benefit. You appear to be selling the price. It doesn't take much effort to walk in to a call and say I'm the cheapest, please give me your order. Just think, upping your price by 10% would increase your profit by 20%, and you could still say you were cheap. |
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Post by brian on Sept 1, 2007 22:05:49 GMT
Brian......you illustrate my point perfectly about you being a fitter first and a salesman second. You obviously regard the sales process as a necessary evil to be got out of the way as quickly as possible Had you spent an extra half hour or so with your customer you could have built a bit more value into your product and got maybe £2500...still a reasonable price and more importantly as a "businessman" more profit for yourself. Instead you prefer to be painfully price concious boasting how you are much cheaper than the opposition and then slag off someone who obviously did a good sales call taking a relaxed 2 1/2 hours to build a good customer raport and get twice the order value you did. The truth is probably that you are so busy chasing business with your 3 suppliers and fitting and sorting problems you could't possibly entertain the idea of spending time selling. Like i said before, anybody can be a busy fool and the old adage.." turnover is vanity, profit is sanity" But good luck to you anyway Quite the opposite in fact. I really enjoy the sales experiance now, as I have total confidence in the product and back up service(which unfortunatly with Hillarys is on a fast downward spiral) I have the product the customer wants (no gimmicks or deception) and all the freedom on price I want. Sorry you misquote me I did not boast about being cheaper, just better product. You are right I could get more profit but I try to be fair, however every situation is different. "relaxed 2 1/2 hours" thats the difference between running your own business and working for someone else I quess. I am busy but not busy fool. I also did not say I have 3 suppliers. I only have problems with Hillarys stuff, but you made some good points I can take it on the chin. some things you tell me help me I also help others . Thankyou. |
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Post by brian on Sept 1, 2007 22:19:44 GMT
What % rate is that then? Who said anything about the past and I also sold my roof, in less than 45mins and beat off 2 other companies. I don't know the size of your conserv but mine is 15 roof and 7 sides all in 20mm. My product is better than Hillarys, believe me I know, and I ain't got to spend 21/2 hours trying to con the customer into thinking their getting something they ain't. I find a good product at a fair price (2000 was double what it cost me, the only thing I had higher priced was perfect fit, and they did not like that) sells it self. Thomas sanderson you ain't , now and your product don't come close to theres. I know, spend 3 hours selling your next roof, that will prove your an even better salesman. Sorry Brian, I misunderstood you. You said you had 3 companies so I assumed you were a businessman. A businessman, or professional salesman, maximises profit by selling the service and benefit. You appear to be selling the price. It doesn't take much effort to walk in to a call and say I'm the cheapest, please give me your order. Just think, upping your price by 10% would increase your profit by 20%, and you could still say you were cheap. You make good points, thankyou. but I did not say I was cheapest. also the product and service and salesman have to match expectation. I do know this. I think the point I was tryiny to make was that with Hillarys you have to try harder because the product is overpriced and you and me both know if something goes wrong Hillarys can not put it right properly, a good salesman has to have faith in his product and service and Hillarys always fall short of my and my customers expectations. and at end of day its about winning the order. Sometimes peeps we forget we are only selling a roller blind theres only so much service and benifit , but I know the princible is the same. Its about aplying the nesacary effort to win that sale with its own unique requirments. You make good points I respect them. Maybe I will put my prices up 10%. |
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Post by guest on Sept 2, 2007 1:04:41 GMT
Morning all! Have just opened the weekly mailer to be told about the new invoice to be used from October. Anyone else not happy about having no invoice copy to keep for our records? Can't see why they don't just duplicate the top part and leave the payment details as one copy. I use these invoices for future reference if customer want to order more blinds of the same or when dors need to be raised. What do you all think? Karen ;D What has this got to do with this thread ? |
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Post by magicmonkey on Sept 2, 2007 15:56:39 GMT
You make good points, thankyou. but I did not say I was cheapest. also the product and service and salesman have to match expectation. I do know this. I think the point I was tryiny to make was that with Hillarys you have to try harder because the product is overpriced and you and me both know if something goes wrong Hillarys can not put it right properly, a good salesman has to have faith in his product and service and Hillarys always fall short of my and my customers expectations. and at end of day its about winning the order. Sometimes peeps we forget we are only selling a roller blind theres only so much service and benifit , but I know the princible is the same. Its about aplying the nesacary effort to win that sale with its own unique requirments. You make good points I respect them. Maybe I will put my prices up 10%. price isn't always everything, the customer has to trust you too ! I sold a roof and sides this week being the most expensive ! Hillarys only wanted to sell them pleated blinds all round and the other local firm didn't have the same quality or warranty I could offer. Those who just sell take note --- if all you are interested in is getting the most out of a customer then you will lose out in the long term. The hillarys woman - didn't offer anything apart from pleated for the sides even tho they wanted verticals, also claimed that local firms were cowboys ! Customers soon see through this 'pure sales person' approach. Sandersons are just as bad - once they have a signature you never see them again. Long and short of it - I made the sale because I gave them a better buying experience. Not even 12 months on my own and I'm running the show down here- Hillarys have just had the turd agent pack in. It's all good. |
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Post by dibs on Sept 20, 2007 8:10:23 GMT
14.68% you are living in the past my friend Hillarys has moved on re spec prods so try another % makes a huge difference. ps I love the way tis thread is going well done Edmund. Can someone please confirm if this is true, and that the so called "new specialists" are getting a higher rate of commission, and how much? |
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